Info-Atari16 Digest Tue, 28 Jan 92 Volume 92 : Issue 51 Today's Topics: Anti-flamewar proposal. ATARIANS! WHERE ARE YOU?! (2 msgs) blitter questions Crack Art D70 sound saver program at archive.cs.ruu.nl D70 sound saver program uploaded. Darn brevity (2 msgs) Darn brevity (And all those stupid Amiga/Next msg's) Deskjet 500 gnuemacs and ispell How to hook a Microsoft bus mouse to the ST pcditto software on a TT? Questions about TOS versions spectre problem w/ aztec shell Spectre users unite! Supra Interface PROBLEM: SOLVED Various ST topics VORTEX ATonce 386SX for MSTE's Welcome to the Info-Atari16 Digest. The configuration for the automatic cross-posting to/from Usenet is getting closer, but still getting thrashed out. Please send notifications about broken digests or bogus messages to Info-Atari16-Request@NAUCSE.CSE.NAU.EDU. Please send requests for un/subscription and other administrivia to Info-Atari16-Request, *NOT* Info-Atari16. Requests that go to the list instead of the moderators are likely to be lost or ignored. If you want to unsubscribe, and you're receiving the digest indirectly from someplace (usually a BITNET host) that redistributes it, please contact the redistributor, not us. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 26 Jan 92 07:22:39 GMT From: noao!ncar!hsdndev!wupost!usc!cheshire.oxy.edu!oxy!leavitt@arizona.edu (Thomas VanNess Leavitt) Subject: Anti-flamewar proposal. To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Why do I hate my PC? It is a 286... it is functionally obslete. It is not a good game machine. I've put too much money into it... for what I spent a year ago, I could have an awesome machine of some other sort. Why do I like my PC? The standard machine. Everything available for it if I could afford it. Parts are cheap. It is modular (I'm not afraid to open up the case and fuck with things... it is easy). So, for instance, when my motherboard dies... at it is in the process of doing... all I have to do it opne up the machine, yank the thing out, and pop another in. Peripherals are cheap. Disk controllers cost $11... add 2 serial ports and a parallel, and the price is $24. I *never* pay retail. There are tons of used parts out there... the swaps are dominated by PC parts... I can buy a used 40 meg ide drive, add an $11 controller, and I'm set. I don't have to pay $129 for a disk controller, like I've seen elsewhere. 20 meg used drives go for $30... However, I costs $1000 to get a basic machine, vs. $500 for a basic ST/Amiga (Macs, on the other hand). Anyway, I'm working on getting an Amiga... if anyone will sell me an ST for $175 (how much would it cost to hook it to my multi-sync?) I might consider it as well. Anyway, entertainment wise, I feel IBMs suck, which is why I'm looking into the Amiga/Atari sectors... ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jan 92 06:52:55 GMT From: noao!ncar!hsdndev!wupost!usc!cheshire.oxy.edu!oxy!leavitt@arizona.edu (Thomas VanNess Leavitt) Subject: Atarians! Where Are You?! To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu "fragmented disks"? why not defragment them? ------------------------------ Date: 27 Jan 92 07:28:13 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!news.dell.com!uudell!fquest!FredMail@arizo na.edu (Mark Spacek) Subject: ATARIANS! WHERE ARE YOU?! To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu rjc@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Ray) wrote: > Yes, all new Amiga's come with AmigaDOS 2.0 and the ECS Agnus/Denise >chips. (Incidently, the ECS allows you to have 2mb of video "chip" ram) >The Denise is the video controller chip. The new denise offers >programmable scan rates up to 70hz (probably more). The ECS, unlike >the flicker fixers, outputs 640x480 at VGA frequencies, or 1280x200. >There are new interlaced modes like 1280x400 and 640x960 which are nice >for titling work. The new Denise also offers new types of external >syncing (genlocking), including chroma keying (overlaying live video >on top of graphics which is the reverse of genlock), bitplane keying, >and genlocking to any color register. What do you mean by 'new'? My best friend just bought a new Amiga 500 and it didn't come with AmigaDos 2.0 and the ECS Agnus/Denise and he can't use the productivity mode thats being discussed without spending quite a bit of money to upgrade it... ------------------------------ Date: 27 Jan 92 21:17:59 GMT From: noao!asuvax!ukma!wupost!csus.edu!nic.csu.net!csun.edu!kithrup!hoptoad!wet!ekrim en@arizona.edu (Ed Krimen) Subject: blitter questions To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <53264@cup.portal.com> Azog-Thoth@cup.portal.com (William Thomas Daugustine) writes: > >Hiyas. Ive got a 520STe and am wondering if there is a program of >some sort that I could run to see the difference between turning >the blitter on and off. I chose blitter on from the desktop, and >from any program I run thatll accept it, but I am just wondering >just exactly what it does... (I dont see a difference between >when I turn it off, try things, and turn it on again... btw: if >it makes any difference, I am using a mono monitor) Rats, you don't have a color monitor. Well, if you ever get a chance to hook up the STE to a TV (color preferably :~) , get a copy of the Bird demo. I'm pretty sure it's at atari.archive; it's very old too, but does a good job at showing what the blitter can do. Run it with the blitter on and run it with the blitter off. The demo shows a bird flying across the screen with a seascape background. On a monochrome monitor, if you have a copy of a paint program which will show a block of the screen when you move it around to paste it, you can use that (with blitter on and off) to see what affect the blitter has. For most uses however, QuickST, TurboST, or NVDI are best. If you're doing a lot of graphics and/or animation work, the blitter will be useful to you. -- ||| Ed Krimen ||| ekrimen@wet.UUCP or hoptoad!wet!ekrimen / | \ E.KRIMEN (GEnie) ------------------------------ Date: 28 Jan 92 08:27:57 GMT From: nevada.edu!jimi2!equinox!pyramid.cs.unr.edu!chan@uunet.uu.net Subject: Crack Art To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu A few posts earlier, someone wrote about a great PD art program on atari. archive.umich.edu... I ftp'ed it (crackart.lzh approx. 250k) and unlzh'ed it! Got it running... All I can tell you is WOW! Every ST user must try it once! Seems to support ST/TT users! Load Degas, Crack Art, Neo, Spectrum, IFF, ... (?!). Tons of great features BUT the docs are in German (yet the prg itself is English...) The crackart.txt is 120k long... Anybody know of a English version? of the text file???? If the programmers read this please respond (apologies: don't have the info in front of me (names, etc))... (Better than Degas!!!) Later... __________ _______ / ________() Kaho Chan(man) / / / / L_____ University of /* / / /_/_____() Nevada, Reno \ / /_________ Internet: \ / L________() chan@cs.unr.edu \/~ ------------------------------ Date: 28 Jan 92 15:57:10 GMT From: mcsun!sun4nl!alchemy!ate@uunet.uu.net (Ate Brink) Subject: D70 sound saver program at archive.cs.ruu.nl To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I just added the D70 sound saver program to our Atari archive. The author Geert W.T. Jonkheer announced in an earlier message that the program could be found on cs.ruu.nl. This address is wrong. The real address is archive.cs.ruu.nl. Our archive doesn't have a MIDI subdirectory, so you can find the program in the sounds subdirectory. ________________________________________________________________________ We, Computer Science department, Utrecht University, are running an anonymous FTP server on one of our systems. In addition to the FTP service we're also running a mail server, for those of you without direct Internet access. --> How to get 'D70rxtx' via anonymous FTP: Site: archive.cs.ruu.nl [131.211.80.5] Login: "anonymous" or "ftp" Password: your own email address (you@your_domain) File: ATARI-ST/sounds/d70rxtx.zoo ATARI-ST/INDEX Don't forget to set binary mode! --> How to get 'D70rxtx' via e-mail from our mail-server: NOTE: In the following I have assumed that your mail address is "fred_flintstone@stone.age.edu"; of course you must substitute your own address for this. ** PLEASE USE VALID DOMAIN ADDRESSES. DO NOT USE ADDRESSES ** ** WITH ! and @ MIXED !!!! BITNETTERS USE USER@HOST.BITNET ** Send the following message to mail-server@cs.ruu.nl or the old-fashioned path alternative uunet!mcsun!hp4nl!ruuinf!mail-server begin path fred_flintstone@stone.age.edu (SUBSTITUTE *YOUR* ADDRESS) send ATARI-ST/sounds/d70rxtx.zoo send ATARI-ST/INDEX end The path command can be deleted if we receive a valid from address in your message. If this is the first time you use our mail server, we suggest you first issue the request: send HELP A complete "ls-lR" listing of the archive is kept in the top-level directory, it will be updated every night. To get it, issue the command: send ls-lR.Z That's all for now. If you encounter problems using the FTP service and/or the mail-server, feel free to drop me a line (by e-mail, please). Ate Brink (ate@cs.ruu.nl) Moderator of the Atari archive at the Utrecht University -- Ate Brink, Dept. of Computer Science, Utrecht University P.O. Box 80.089, 3508 TB Utrecht, The Netherlands Telephone: +31-30-534408 Email: ate@cs.ruu.nl ------------------------------ Date: 28 Jan 92 08:12:56 GMT From: noao!asuvax!ukma!darwin.sura.net!Sirius.dfn.de!fauern!unido!mcsun!sun4nl!ahds!g eert@arizona.edu (Geert W.T. Jonkheer CCS/TS) Subject: D70 sound saver program uploaded. To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu As mentioned earlier I have uploaded the D70 sound saver program to both a.a.u.e. and cs.ruu.nl. The program is called d70rxtx.zoo and must be found in the midi directory of both servers. Hope anyone who is interested enjoys the program. Geert. -- ================================================================================ ============ Geert W.T. Jonkheer. ============= ========== Ahold N.V. The Netherlands geert@ccsds.ahold.nl ========== =================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: 28 Jan 92 08:25:03 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!news.cs.indiana.edu!umn.edu!cs.umn.edu! kksys!orbit!pnet51!chucks@arizona.edu (Erik Funkenbusch) Subject: Darn brevity To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu carter@cae.wisc.edu (Carter Gregory) writes: >You have to be joking guy, don't even try to compare AMIGA DOS with ANY >version of UNIX, especially the Mach version on the NeXT. > >Its not even in the same league. > >AMIGA DOS is incredibly primitive compared to Mach. Let me See the AMIGA >3000-25 run the same OS on its architecture, as the Next 030, and I bet >you wouldn't be such a proud owner of your 3000. And thank god for that. I wouldn't WANT half the garbage that's in Unix in AmigaDos. Unix is good for what it does (i.e. a multi-user environment that goes to great pains to insure that another user cannot interfere with another user.), however, i prefer speed and headache free operation. By the way, Unix or Mach are not *that* much more "advanced" if that's what you wish to call it. It's just more features (which may or may not be wanted). by your reasoning then, Multics is a FAR more advanced OS than Unix (simply because it has more features). There's more to an OS than how many MAN pages it takes up. .--------------------------------------------------------------------------. | UUCP: {amdahl!tcnet, crash}!orbit!pnet51!chucks | "I know he's come back | | ARPA: crash!orbit!pnet51!chucks@nosc.mil | from the dead, but do | | INET: chucks@pnet51.orb.mn.org | you really think he's | |-------------------------------------------------| moved back in?" | | Amiga programmer at large, employment options | Lou Diamond Philips in | | welcome, inquire within. | "The First Power". | `--------------------------------------------------------------------------' ------------------------------ Date: 28 Jan 92 13:30:12 GMT From: mcsun!uknet!sersun1!okes@uunet.uu.net (Oke S) Subject: Darn brevity To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu [stuff about amigas and un*x deleted] > What this has to do with the pathetic ST I don't know. Nothing at all, so take it elsewhere. Simon Oke. -- #### ### ## ## #### ## # email: okes@essex.ac.uk # # # # # # # # ## # #### # # # # # # # ## # # # # # # # ## #### ### # # #### # # Live long and prosper. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Jan 92 16:25:10 GMT From: bonnie.concordia.ca!IRO.UMontreal.CA!JSP.UMontreal.CA!u1398@uunet.uu.net (Kosmatos Odisseas) Subject: Darn brevity (And all those stupid Amiga/Next msg's) To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <6939@orbit.cts.com> chucks@pnet51.cts.com (Erik Funkenbusch) writes: >carter@cae.wisc.edu (Carter Gregory) writes: >>You have to be joking guy, don't even try to compare AMIGA DOS with ANY >>version of UNIX, especially the Mach version on the NeXT. >> >>[NeXT Junk deleted] >[Amiga Junk reply deleted] Look, This is COMP.SYS.ATARI.ST. This thread should be carried on somewhere else, where people actually care. I am tired of reading through this newsgroup only to waste my time reading things about the Amiga and Next. Nothing 2 do with Atari. @$#%@%@#$!@Stupid#$!@!%@!Amiga@#$!#%!@#stick@#$!#@%it!@#~%!#up@#$#!@your#!@# -- Das machine is nicht fur gefingerpoken und mittengrabben. Ist easy schnappen der springenwerk, blowenfusen und corkenpoppen mit spitzensparken. Ist nicht fur gewerken by das dummkopfen. Das rubbernecken sightseeren keepen hands in das pockets, relaxen und vatch das blinkenlights!!! ------------- :-) ------ ------------------------------ Date: 28 Jan 92 12:52:59 GMT From: timbuk.cray.com!hemlock.cray.com!marc@uunet.uu.net (Marc Bouron) Subject: Deskjet 500 To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Well, here we are only a day later, and I've received zillions, well, several replies already to my query about buying a DJ500. I'll summarise below: B U Y I T ! ! ! A thousand thanks to all those who took the trouble to email words of encourage- ment. You don't all work for Hewlett-Packard, do you?? ;-) Cheers, [M][a][r][c] ===== Cray Research (UK) Ltd. ===== INTERNET: marc@hemlock.cray.com "If all the girls in Essex were laid JANET: M.Bouron@uk.co.cray end-to-end, no-one would be in the UUCP: ...!uknet!crayuk!M.Bouron slightest bit surprised..." VOICE: +44 344 485971 x2208 ------------------------------ Date: 28 Jan 92 14:07:55 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cis.ohio-state.e du!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!linac!att!cbnewse!hofmann@arizona.edu (james.r.hofmann) Subject: gnuemacs and ispell To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I am using gnuemacs 18.57 and Bammi's ispell port (both are excellent ports, many thanks to Scott and Jwahar). Howerver, I am unable to invoke ispell from gnuemacs using the ispell.el in the ispell package. That does not surprise me, as I would expect to have to set an environment variable or a path in the .el file. However, after playing around with it for awhile, I could not get it to work. Does anyone on the net use ispell from gnuemacs (18.57)? If so, would you let me know what I have to set up in order to do it? On a related note, Edgar Roeder(sp?) posted a compile.el and then a patch to it to create a compiles.el. My version of patch will not h handle this file. Would some kind soul email me an updated compiles.el? Thanks in advance! Jim Hofmann AT&T Bell Laboratories Naperville, IL (USA) ------------------------------ Date: 27 Jan 92 17:36:18 GMT From: noao!asuvax!ukma!darwin.sura.net!mlb.semi.harris.com!uflorida!mailer.cc.fsu.edu !sigma!boyd@arizona.edu (Mickey Boyd) Subject: How to hook a Microsoft bus mouse to the ST To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Back by popular demand, here is the article which describes this: ----cut here--- Date: 21 Feb 89 03:02:45 GMT From: tektronix!ozvax!tekcsc!jeff@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Jeff Beadles) Subject: Here's how to hook a MicroSoft Mouse to a ST To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu Well, here is how to connect a Microsoft Mouse to an Atari ST. (520/1040) The Atari has a 9-pin D-type connector. The Microsoft Mouse has a rather strange connector on the end. To prevent having to cut the mouse cable up, I made this adaptor. If you still can't follow it, please let me know and I'll try to redescribe it. This does work for me. I've been using it for 6 or so months now with no problems at all. It does take some soldering skills, so if you're not so hot at soldering, find a friend to help. As far as I know, this does not effect your Atari's warranty. However, I have not asked Atari. :-) Atari ST Microsoft Mouse ST expected signal ----- -- --------- ----- -- -------- ------ 1 5 XB 2 3 XA 3 8 YA 4 9 YB 5 N/C N/C 6 2 Left button 7 N/C +5VDC (N/C) 8* 6 and also tie to pin 1 Ground 9 7 Right button * = I am not sure why I have pins 6 & 1 tied together, but it does work. The Microsoft mouse connector looks like this. This is the solder side, with the leads pointing up. --------------- | 1 | | 2 3 4 5 | | 6 7 8 9 10 | | | --------------- If you can not use the connector, the pins are numbered as follows. This is the connector side from the Microsoft Mouse plug: /------------\ This is a view at the front of the connector. / Blank "KEY" \ It is where the plug from the mouse would be. /----------------\ The pin labeled 'n' is not connected. | n 4 X 8 | The place labeled 'X' is filled, and does not | 9 7 1 2 | have a pin. | 5 6 | \ / \------------/ Have fun! Jeff -- Jeff Beadles jeff@quark.WV.TEK.COM ------------------------------ ---cut here--- Hope that helps. -- ---------------------------------+------------------------------------- Mickey R. Boyd | "Come to your senses professor FSU Computer Science | Fernberg. You did not transcend Technical Support Group | the time-space continuum. You email: boyd@nu.cs.fsu.edu | got drunk in a topless bar." ---------------------------------+------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 28 Jan 92 13:08:36 GMT From: mcsun!uknet!glasgow!bru-cc!ee90grb@uunet.uu.net (Gareth R Blades) Subject: pcditto software on a TT? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu koreth@panarthea.ebay.sun.com (koreth@panarthea.ebay.sun.com) writes: : Has anyone tried the PCDitto software emulator on a TT? If so, does : it work or no? If it does work, I wonder if the speed would be good : enough to make it actually useful, unlike its speed on a regular ST. : : Let me know if you know.... : : Thanks, : : --Bill It is reported not to work in a few computer magazines that i have read. Gareth Blades ------------------------------ Date: 27 Jan 92 22:32:47 GMT From: hpl-opus!hpcc05!hpcuhb!hpindda!goo@hplabs.hp.com (Michael Goo) Subject: Questions about TOS versions To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu >thaanuj@prism.CS.ORST.EDU (John Thaanum) writes... > >Do any of you know if Falcon runs under 2.06? I've had 1.4 installed for >a while, and my copy of Falcon craps out at the "Insert Disk Two" prompt. Hmmm...I have 1.4 (6 chip set / 520ST / 2 meg) and Falcon runs just fine. I even have both the copy-protected and un-copy-protected versions. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Goo | Hewlett-Packard | "I never try to cover my ass... Information Networks Division | but I certainly support your right to do so!" hpinddh.cup.hp.com | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 28 Jan 92 15:10:53 GMT From: psinntp!newstand.syr.edu!rodan.acs.syr.edu!arpajian@uunet.uu.net (Dean Arpajian) Subject: spectre problem w/ aztec shell To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Hello, I seem to be having trouble using manx's Aztec shell v3.6a under spectre (v3.0). Whenever I try to launch the shell spectre bombs and returns "bus error"... this bomb is not recoverable (I can only restart the finder). I use this shell alot at work as a platform for the aztec C68k (MPW) compiler. It works on all the machines at work (plusses,se's,II's) and I was really suprised to find it crashing with spectre. any help or insight would be appreciated. thanx. -dean -- Dean Arpajian (aka---> arpajian@rodan.acs.syr.edu) std. disclaimer: if I expressed an opinion, remember this: it's simply my opinion. period. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Jan 92 07:37:57 GMT From: mcsun!uknet!stl!robobar!ibmpcug!demon!news@uunet.uu.net (Keith Sommerville) Subject: Spectre users unite! To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I am interested too ------------------------------ Date: 28 Jan 92 10:45:37 GMT From: noao!asuvax!ukma!wupost!waikato.ac.nz!comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix!Roger.Sheppard@ariz ona.edu (Roger Sheppard) Subject: Supra Interface PROBLEM: SOLVED To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1992Jan27.170611.2145@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> ba014@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Matthew C. Brinkhoff) writes: > > Thanks for the help, my problem has been solved. > > -- > o-------------------------------------------------------------------------o > | Orwell was an optimist! | ba014@cleveland.freenet.edu | E Pluribus Unix | > o-------------------------------------------------------------------------o > Please tell us what the problem was, so we can avoid the same problem..?? -- *** Roger W. Sheppard * Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz *** *** 85 Donovan Rd * * GEnie. R.SHEPPARD5 *** *** Kapiti At least I don't Flicker, *** *** New Zealand.. * not like a dying light globe *** ------------------------------ Date: 28 Jan 92 14:28:53 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!wupost!waikato.ac.nz!comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix!Rog er.Sheppard@arizona.edu (Roger Sheppard) Subject: Various ST topics To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <999@news.duke.edu> bigham@acpub.duke.edu (Scott Bigham) writes: > From the Holy Book of <1992Jan26.042018.4006@actrix.gen.nz> > as spake by Alex.Valdez@actrix.gen.nz (Alex Valdez) : > >In article <1992Jan25.195351.26589@watserv1.waterloo.edu> ec333way@sail.uwaterloo.ca (Winter92 BEACON ec333 account) writes: > >> Is TeX Usable on a 1 meg ST w/ hard drive? > >I believe version 3.1 is not but 2.9 is. > > 3.1 is usable, just. I had room for FATSPEED and FOLDR080, and that was > pushing it. Of course, my copy has initex and virtex in separate executables; > newer versions merged them, and that might not fit. > > -sbigham > -- > Scott Bigham | The opinions expressed above are > bigham@hercules.acpub.duke.edu | (c) 1991 Hacker Ltd. and cannot be > | copied or distributed without a > | Darn Good Reason(tm). Why not get TOS 1.4 then you would have lots more room, it uses these RAM than TOS 1.2 , plus you don't nead Fatspeed and you can do away with Folder Fix, and you would end up liking your machine more..:-).. -- *** Roger W. Sheppard * Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz *** *** 85 Donovan Rd * * GEnie. R.SHEPPARD5 *** *** Kapiti At least I don't Flicker, *** *** New Zealand.. * not like a dying light globe *** ------------------------------ Date: 28 Jan 92 10:10:43 GMT From: mcsun!news.funet.fi!sunic!chalmers.se!etek.chalmers.se!etek.chalmers.se!fabian@ uunet.uu.net (Fabian) Subject: VORTEX ATonce 386SX for MSTE's To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1992Jan26.005812.1935@nmt.edu>, ehobbs@nmt.edu (Eric Hobbs) writes: |> In article <1992Jan25.114505.21983@ugle.unit.no> stigvi@Lise.Unit.NO (Stig Vidar Hovland) writes: |> >In article <1992Jan21.164140.143@unibi.uni-bielefeld.de>, itschere@techfak.uni-bielefeld.de (Torsten Scherer) writes: |> > > |> > > Some facts : |> > > |> > > - 32 bit CPU 80C386SX-16MHz |> > |> >This must be wrong. Isn't the 80386SX a 16 bit processor as the same way the 68000 is. |> > |> >Stig Vidar Hovland - stigvi@lise.unit.no |> |> |> Don't flame me if I'm wrong, but I believe a 386SX is a 32-bit |> processor, but it has a 16-bit bus. |> |> Anyone know for sure? |> |> Eric A. Hobbs |> ehobbs@JUPITER.nmt.edu Yes, exactly the same as the 68000, 16-bits externally, 32-bits internally. ------------------------------------------------------------ M Fabian, fabian@contrl.chalmers.se | Control Engineering fabian@etek.chalmers.se | Laboratory, CTH mf@contrl.chalmers.se | Sweden ------------------------------------------------------------ "Oral sex gives me amnesia." (Leland Gaunt) ------------------------------ End of Info-Atari16 Digest ******************************